Dear all,

Thanks for all your work on this.

What would be the best way to document gaps?

A gap that is immediately obvious, I would say, is the absence of the importance of a rights-based approach to Internet governance in these courses, and what such an approach might entail. This might be addressed implicitly in some of the Diplo or ISOC work, but is not addressed explicitly (APC developed a curriculum on some rights, see http://www.apc.org/en/news/human-rights-and-internet-multimedia-training-kit, but in itself this does not constitute a course).

I think on many of the issues related to the history of Internet governance, what might also be missing is the specific 'Asia-Pacific angle' (or that of its sub-regions) on the topic. The way people in the Pacific would, for example, approach the WSIS+10 Review is likely to be very different from how people in Europe would do so. For many of the more technical issues, such regional anchoring seems to interestingly (and luckily!) have been achieved already to a much greater extent.

Thanks and best,
Anja





 

On 3 October 2014 16:14, Kelvin Wong <kelvin.wong@icann.org> wrote:
Hi Duncan, Don,

This is great, thanks for the input.  

The TNAs should give a good idea of the requirements of the economies, and as you said, help focus our efforts and resources.  We have networks in Indonesia that we can link up with partners to do this, so from ICANN, we’ll like to propose to include Indonesia.  I’m checking to see if we want to include other Pacific economies, so that may come later. 

 
Regards, 
Kelvin

Kelvin WONG
Head, Outreach & Public Responsibility, Asia Pacific 
Asia Pacific Hub, Singapore
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

Direct: +65 6808 6672

From: Don Hollander <gm@aptld.org>
Date: Friday, October 3, 2014 at 7:28 AM
To: Duncan Macintosh <duncan@apnic.net>
Cc: Kelvin Wong <kelvin.wong@icann.org>, Hong Xue <hongxueipr@gmail.com>, "apilp_discuss@apilp.asia" <apilp_discuss@apilp.asia>

Subject: Re: [Apilp_discuss] Inventory of Courses

Duncan:

Further to your note, I would hope that you would also include a Pacific Island community as well.   I have a particular fondness for Samoa.  It’s not teeny tiny, it’s had a focus on ICT development for more than decade, there are at least three separate physical international links, there are a surprisingly large number of ITC businesses, it has a University/Polytechnic, plus a branch of USP.

I think Thailand and Vietnam are also good choices, particularly for the language diversity, large scale, and pretty good domestic and international connectivity.

I also think it’s interesting that you’re introducing the idea of people paying for training.  I really support this.  In my experience, when people have some skin in the activity they get much, much more out of it.  

And, with respect to other trainers, don’t forget Polytechnics and Universities.  

APTLD will be happy to participate in this TNA in Thailand, Vietnam (and hopefully Samoa).  I think that some of our needs extend beyond technical to include general management, planning for disasters, accounting issues, marketing and communications, partner engagement, general negotiation.  I think that this topics will also be useful to APNIC members, but perhaps a slightly different audience to what you usually see.   These issues may also be of interest to the Registrars and gRegistries of the ICANN community.    And, of course, there are the public policy issues.

So, well done.  Please certainly keep APTLD appraised of progress.  We remain, of course, happy to participate.

Don


On 25/09/2014, at 2:03 pm, Duncan Macintosh <duncan@apnic.net> wrote:

Thanks again for working on this very helpful inventory. I’d like to note two APNIC developments of relevance:
 
1)      In response to our latest membership survey (announced at APNIC38) and it’s very clear message to focus more on training, we are developing plans to organize a regional Training Needs Assessment (TNAs). Those of you who are familiar with TNAs at a national or regional scale will know that they can be a challenge to implement, so we plan to keep ours as simple and focused as possible.  At this (early) stage we are looking at Thailand and Vietnam as two countries we can start on, but would welcome more suggestions (knowing that we cannot do all 56 economies, just a representative sample).  The focus would be on getting more detailed information on key questions including:
·         What technical skills are most lacking in the AP Internet community and what should organizations like APNIC focus their training on ?
·         What type of training delivers the best results ? On-line ? Workshops and labs ?  Tutorials ?
·         How often does training need to be provided ? Once a year ? Every month ? Once only ?
·         Should training provide accreditation via examination based systems (for example)
·         Local language versus English ?
·         How much should training cost ?
·         What’s the state of Internet technical training provided by the private sector (vendors and consultancies) ? Does it provide everything that’s needed ? At reasonable cost ? What are the gaps ?
 
The format for the TNA would include an on-line survey to APNIC members and the community and focus group interviews in each country to provide more depth and detail (plus more depending on the budget)
 
As you can see, we are still in the development stage, so we would welcome input, collaboration and partnership from the group.
2)      APNIC’s new training manager Kevin Meynell (from JANET in the UK and replacing Champika), will be starting in the first week of November. I will introduce him to this process so he can contribute and engage.
 
Thanks
Duncan
 
 
 
 
From: Kelvin Wong [mailto:kelvin.wong@icann.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:53 PM
To: Don Hollander; Hong Xue; Duncan Macintosh
Cc: apilp_discuss@apilp.asia
Subject: Re: [Apilp_discuss] Inventory of Courses
 
Hi Don, Duncan, Hong and all,
 
Thanks so much for your input on this.  The attached document shows where we are at this inventory-building process.
 
I’ve merged the information going around and included more description on the ICANN courses I.e. those on DNS and Network security, as well as the parts that Hong helped to add.  If all agree, we could take out Tech day for now.  I’ve also included the APILP Delhi session for completeness.
 
As we expected, there seems to be some duplication in the programs, and the next step is to make sense of these courses and categorize them as Don suggested, and to identify some gaps/opportunities.  Meanwhile, as I’ve mentioned, this is a live list that we can come back and update/change.  So if there’s any suggestion on how best to categorize and move forward on this, it’ll be great.
 
Thanks again.
 
cc: Thanks Champika for providing the detailed description on courses related to network security. 
 
Regards, 
Kelvin
 
Kelvin WONG
Head, Outreach & Public Responsibility, Asia Pacific 
Asia Pacific Hub, Singapore
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
 
Direct: +65 6808 6672
 
From: Don Hollander <gm@aptld.org>
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 at 4:21 PM
To: Hong Xue <hongxueipr@gmail.com>
Cc: Kelvin Wong <kelvin.wong@icann.org>, "apilp_discuss@apilp.asia" <apilp_discuss@apilp.asia>
Subject: Re: [Apilp_discuss] Inventory of Courses
 
Thanks Hong:
 
Can you provide more details of the content of the 2.5 day course?   (Have a look at the sort of brief description that’s included in the Delta-Risk courses.)
 
And Kelvin, thank you.  I don’t see Tech Day as Training, but more as a wee conference within a conference because the content changes at every meeting.  It would be useful to also get more details of the syllabus for the ICANN programs that you provided.
 
Don
 
 
On 9/09/2014, at 10:14 pm, Hong Xue <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:


 
Hi, I made a few additions (at the end). Please find attached.
 
Best,
 
Hong

Professor Dr. Hong Xue
Director of Beijing Normal University Institute for Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) 
Co-Director of UNCITRAL-BNU Joint Certificate Program on International E-Commerce Law
http://www.iipl.org.cn/
19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street
Beijing 100875 China
 
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Kelvin Wong <kelvin.wong@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Don and all,

Thanks much Don, this is very useful start. I've gotten some help to
populate the courses from the ICANN perspective too, and made some
additions to this (thanks Champika!), as attached. (For now, I've not
included the online courses in ICANN Learn that is very specific to ICANN
processes and ICANN community. Others are programs that are currently work
in progress that I hope to include later.)

Others:
ISOC - I note that Don has also included the ISOC online courses.
IEEE - There's a wealth of resources and courses, though these are very
issues specific and we may need to go through with a fine-tooth comb if we
are to include.
Diplo - Learning from Diplo's capacity development program.

I think the idea of categorizing the training programs into reasonable
groups is great, and, as in your example, it could be based on the mode of
delivery (workshop/tutorial/online etc) and the type of content (technical
track and a management/leadership track etc) - we should definitely work
on this next. It will also help in the identification of gaps and
opportunities, which is one of the main points of this exercise.

Meanwhile, could I check if there are any other inputs to add to this
excel sheet list please?  This is of course a live list and we can
continue to add to this as and when we have sight of more courses. Thanks
all again.

Regards,
Kelvin

Kelvin WONG
Head, Outreach & Public Responsibility, Asia Pacific
Asia Pacific Hub, Singapore
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

Direct: +65 6808 6672
www.icann.org <http://www.icann.org>






On 8/7/14 11:14 AM, "Don Hollander" <gm@aptld.org> wrote:

>Dear Friends:
>
>Durin the APILP session held this week in India we agreed that it would
>be a good idea to create an inventory of courses available.
>
>I indicated that I had already started this exercise and have attached a
>copy of the spreadsheet.
>
>It is far, far from complete - because in the end it just got too much
>like work for me.   But, we will resurrect it soon.
>
>One of the questions that I asked my members, but didn¹t really get a
>good response, was how to categorise the training programs so that people
>can more easily find courses for them.
>
>Some easy options might be:
>
>Tutorial: Technical: IPv6:
>Tutorial: Technical: DNSSEC
>Workshop: Management: Disaster Planning
>
>Some some others are a bit harder.
>
>So, that¹s where I got to.
>
>You¹ll see that none of the training listed is APTLDs, because we don¹t
>have the depth to do our own.
>
>Don


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