Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Thanks all, As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers). So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic. If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead. My 2 cents for consideration please. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> Reply-To: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia>, Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Michael, I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness. My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------ From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com> Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14 To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia. Pam, You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them. Any feedback? Regards, Michael Flemming
I support Jia-Rong's proposal. I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic. satish On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote:
Thanks all,
As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers).
So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic.
If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead.
My 2 cents for consideration please.
Jia-Rong
*From: *Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> *Reply-To: *Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> *Date: *Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM *To: *discuss <discuss@tld.asia>, Tld_discuss < tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Hi Michael,
I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness.
My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities.
Kind regards,
Pam
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From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>
Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14
To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia>
Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia.
Pam,
You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them.
Any feedback?
Regards,
Michael Flemming
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I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair. Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> wrote:
I support Jia-Rong's proposal.
I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic.
satish
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote:
Thanks all,
As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers).
So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic.
If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead.
My 2 cents for consideration please.
Jia-Rong
*From: *Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> *Reply-To: *Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> *Date: *Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM *To: *discuss <discuss@tld.asia>, Tld_discuss < tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Hi Michael,
I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness.
My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities.
Kind regards,
Pam
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From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>
Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14
To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia>
Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia.
Pam,
You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them.
Any feedback?
Regards,
Michael Flemming
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I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already. Kuo Wu Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道：
I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair.
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> wrote:
I support Jia-Rong's proposal.
I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic.
satish
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote:
Thanks all,
As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers).
So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic.
If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead.
My 2 cents for consideration please.
Jia-Rong
*From: *Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> *Reply-To: *Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> *Date: *Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM *To: *discuss <discuss@tld.asia>, Tld_discuss < tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Hi Michael,
I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness.
My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities.
Kind regards,
Pam
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From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>
Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14
To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia>
Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia.
Pam,
You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them.
Any feedback?
Regards,
Michael Flemming
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Hi Rohit, I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest. If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties. I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once. Regards, Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> wrote:
Dear All,
I support the sub group concept.
Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need.
For example. (i) sub group for TLD discuss (ii) sub group for policy process . . After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things.
Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere.
Best Regards, Rohit Yadav https://About.ME/RY_Scientist Twitter: @RY_Scientist Internet And ME (non-profit) http://www.InternetAndME.org
On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already.
Kuo Wu
Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道：
I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair.
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> wrote:
I support Jia-Rong's proposal.
I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic.
satish
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote:
Thanks all,
As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers).
So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic.
If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead.
My 2 cents for consideration please.
Jia-Rong
*From: *Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> *Reply-To: *Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> *Date: *Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM *To: *discuss <discuss@tld.asia>, Tld_discuss < tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Hi Michael,
I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness.
My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities.
Kind regards,
Pam
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From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>
Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14
To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia>
Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia.
Pam,
You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them.
Any feedback?
Regards,
Michael Flemming
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Agree with Michael. This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand. That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups? So far there is 1: - Data Privacy/Protection But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic... Edmon From: Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia] On Behalf Of Michael Flemming Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PM To: Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> Cc: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>; discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Rohit, I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest. If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties. I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once. Regards, Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org <mailto:ry@internetandme.org> > wrote: Dear All, I support the sub group concept. Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need. For example. (i) sub group for TLD discuss (ii) sub group for policy process . . After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things. Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere. Best Regards, Rohit Yadav https://About.ME/RY_Scientist Twitter: @RY_Scientist Internet And ME (non-profit) http://www.InternetAndME.org On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com <mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com> > wrote: I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already. Kuo Wu Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com <mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com> >於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道： I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair. Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org <mailto:sbabu@ieee.org> > wrote: I support Jia-Rong's proposal. I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic. satish On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org <mailto:jiarong.low@icann.org> > wrote: Thanks all, As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers). So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic. If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead. My 2 cents for consideration please. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia <mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> > on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com <mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> > Reply-To: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com <mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> > Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia <mailto:discuss@tld.asia> >, Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia <mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> > Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Michael, I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness. My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------ From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com <mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com> > Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14 To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia <mailto:discuss@tld.asia> > Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia. Pam, You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them. Any feedback? Regards, Michael Flemming _______________________________________________ Tld_discuss mailing list Tld_discuss@tld.asia <mailto:Tld_discuss@tld.asia> https://mailman.dotasia.org/mailman/listinfo/tld_discuss _______________________________________________ Tld_discuss mailing list Tld_discuss@tld.asia <mailto:Tld_discuss@tld.asia> https://mailman.dotasia.org/mailman/listinfo/tld_discuss _______________________________________________ Tld_discuss mailing list Tld_discuss@tld.asia <mailto:Tld_discuss@tld.asia> https://mailman.dotasia.org/mailman/listinfo/tld_discuss
Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand. As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants. Kind regards, Yaling Tan www.teleinfo.cn
On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
Agree with Michael. This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand.
That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups? So far there is 1: - Data Privacy/Protection
But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic...
Edmon
From: Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia <mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>] On Behalf Of Michael Flemming Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PM To: Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org <mailto:ry@internetandme.org>> Cc: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia <mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>>; discuss <discuss@tld.asia <mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Hi Rohit,
I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest.
If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties.
I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once.
Regards,
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org <mailto:ry@internetandme.org>> wrote:
Dear All,
I support the sub group concept.
Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need.
For example. (i) sub group for TLD discuss (ii) sub group for policy process . . After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things.
Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere.
Best Regards, Rohit Yadav https://About.ME/RY_Scientist <https://about.me/RY_Scientist> Twitter: @RY_Scientist Internet And ME (non-profit) http://www.InternetAndME.org <http://www.internetandme.org/>
On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com <mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com>> wrote:
I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already.
Kuo Wu
Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com <mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道：
I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair.
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org <mailto:sbabu@ieee.org>> wrote:
I support Jia-Rong's proposal.
I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic.
satish
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org <mailto:jiarong.low@icann.org>> wrote:
Thanks all,
As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers).
So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic.
If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead.
My 2 cents for consideration please.
Jia-Rong
From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia <mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com <mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>> Reply-To: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com <mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia <mailto:discuss@tld.asia>>, Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia <mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Hi Michael,
I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness.
My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities.
Kind regards,
Pam
> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com <mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>> > > Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14 > > To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia <mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> > > Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic > > > > This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia. > > > > Pam, > > > > You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them. > > > > Any feedback? > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael Flemming >
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(Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!) Regards, Yannis On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn> wrote: Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand. As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants. Kind regards, Yaling Tan www.teleinfo.cn <http://www.teleinfo.cn/>
On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia <mailto:edmon@registry.asia>> wrote:
Agree with Michael. This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand.
That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups? So far there is 1: - Data Privacy/Protection
But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic...
Edmon
From: Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia <mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>] On Behalf Of Michael Flemming Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PM To: Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org <mailto:ry@internetandme.org>> Cc: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia <mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>>; discuss <discuss@tld.asia <mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Hi Rohit,
I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest.
If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties.
I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once.
Regards,
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org <mailto:ry@internetandme.org>> wrote:
Dear All,
I support the sub group concept.
Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need.
For example. (i) sub group for TLD discuss (ii) sub group for policy process . . After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things.
Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere.
Best Regards, Rohit Yadav https://About.ME/RY_Scientist <https://about.me/RY_Scientist> Twitter: @RY_Scientist Internet And ME (non-profit) http://www.InternetAndME.org <http://www.internetandme.org/>
On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com <mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com>> wrote:
I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already.
Kuo Wu
Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com <mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道：
I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair.
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org <mailto:sbabu@ieee.org>> wrote:
I support Jia-Rong's proposal.
I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic.
satish
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org <mailto:jiarong.low@icann.org>> wrote:
Thanks all,
As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers).
So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic.
If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead.
My 2 cents for consideration please.
Jia-Rong
From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia <mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com <mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>> Reply-To: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com <mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia <mailto:discuss@tld.asia>>, Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia <mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Hi Michael,
I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness.
My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities.
Kind regards,
Pam
> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com <mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>> > > Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14 > > To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia <mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> > > Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic > > > > This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia. > > > > Pam, > > > > You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them. > > > > Any feedback? > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael Flemming >
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Dear all, Just to come back to the discussion and try to take things forward, for those interested in being part of the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: · Michael Flemming · Yaling Tan · Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) · Satish Babu Anyone else would like to join? For starters we can start a separate email thread, or group chat (e.g. on Skype or any preferred mode of IM). We can facilitate based on the preference. As suggested earlier, this group can discuss this issue in depth, and will also be the lead discussants for the next APAC Space session in July. I’d also read a couple of suggestions for other subgroups. If there is strong interest from a few we can also start them; or as suggested by others we can form them “on demand” (e.g. when the topic for the September APAC Space is being decided the subgroup could be formed based on that). Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 3:08 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic (Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!) Regards, Yannis On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn> wrote: Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand. As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants. Kind regards, Yaling Tan www.teleinfo.cn[teleinfo.cn] On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote: Agree with Michael. This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand. That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups? So far there is 1: - Data Privacy/Protection But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic... Edmon From: Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia] On Behalf Of Michael Flemming Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PM To: Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> Cc: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>; discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Rohit, I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest. If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties. I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once. Regards, Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> wrote: Dear All, I support the sub group concept. Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need. For example. (i) sub group for TLD discuss (ii) sub group for policy process . . After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things. Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere. Best Regards, Rohit Yadav https://About.ME/RY_Scientist[about.me] Twitter: @RY_Scientist Internet And ME (non-profit) http://www.InternetAndME.org[internetandme.org] On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote: I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already. Kuo Wu Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道： I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair. Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> wrote: I support Jia-Rong's proposal. I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic. satish On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote: Thanks all, As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers). So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic. If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead. My 2 cents for consideration please. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> Reply-To: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia>, Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Michael, I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness. My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------ From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com> Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14 To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia. Pam, You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. 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Jia-Rong, This group will be a list or looking for physical f2f meeting somewhere? Kuo Wu Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org>於 2017年5月23日 週二，14:46寫道：
Dear all,
Just to come back to the discussion and try to take things forward, for those interested in being part of the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include:
· Michael Flemming
· Yaling Tan
· Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan)
· Satish Babu
Anyone else would like to join? For starters we can start a separate email thread, or group chat (e.g. on Skype or any preferred mode of IM). We can facilitate based on the preference. As suggested earlier, this group can discuss this issue in depth, and will also be the lead discussants for the next APAC Space session in July.
I’d also read a couple of suggestions for other subgroups. If there is strong interest from a few we can also start them; or as suggested by others we can form them “on demand” (e.g. when the topic for the September APAC Space is being decided the subgroup could be formed based on that).
Jia-Rong
*From: *Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia> *Date: *Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 3:08 PM *To: *discuss <discuss@tld.asia>
*Subject: *Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
(Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!)
Regards,
Yannis
On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn> wrote:
Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand.
As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants.
Kind regards,
Yaling Tan www.teleinfo.cn[teleinfo.cn] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.teleinfo.cn_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=XCQr7btoA9e4__fJkrpoL7P85b9jpDOIMN2Rol3OsR0&e=>
On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
Agree with Michael.
This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand.
That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups?
So far there is 1:
- Data Privacy/Protection
But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic...
Edmon
*From:* Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>] *On Behalf Of *Michael Flemming *Sent:* Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PM *To:* Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> *Cc:* Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>; discuss < discuss@tld.asia> *Subject:* Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Hi Rohit,
I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest.
If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties.
I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once.
Regards,
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> wrote:
Dear All,
I support the sub group concept.
Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need.
For example.
(i) sub group for TLD discuss
(ii) sub group for policy process
.
.
After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things.
Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere.
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On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already.
Kuo Wu
Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道：
I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair.
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> wrote:
I support Jia-Rong's proposal.
I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic.
satish
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote:
Thanks all,
As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers).
So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic.
If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead.
My 2 cents for consideration please.
Jia-Rong
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Hi Michael,
I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness.
My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities.
Kind regards,
Pam
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Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14
To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia>
Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia.
Pam,
You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them.
Any feedback?
Regards,
Michael Flemming
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Such as APNIC Taichung meeting? Kuo Wu Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com>於 2017年5月23日 週二，14:48寫道：
Jia-Rong,
This group will be a list or looking for physical f2f meeting somewhere?
Kuo Wu
Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org>於 2017年5月23日 週二，14:46寫道：
Dear all,
Just to come back to the discussion and try to take things forward, for those interested in being part of the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include:
· Michael Flemming
· Yaling Tan
· Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan)
· Satish Babu
Anyone else would like to join? For starters we can start a separate email thread, or group chat (e.g. on Skype or any preferred mode of IM). We can facilitate based on the preference. As suggested earlier, this group can discuss this issue in depth, and will also be the lead discussants for the next APAC Space session in July.
I’d also read a couple of suggestions for other subgroups. If there is strong interest from a few we can also start them; or as suggested by others we can form them “on demand” (e.g. when the topic for the September APAC Space is being decided the subgroup could be formed based on that).
Jia-Rong
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(Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!)
Regards,
Yannis
On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn> wrote:
Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand.
As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants.
Kind regards,
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On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
Agree with Michael.
This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand.
That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups?
So far there is 1:
- Data Privacy/Protection
But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic...
Edmon
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Hi Rohit,
I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest.
If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties.
I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once.
Regards,
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> wrote:
Dear All,
I support the sub group concept.
Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need.
For example.
(i) sub group for TLD discuss
(ii) sub group for policy process
.
.
After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things.
Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere.
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On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already.
Kuo Wu
Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道：
I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair.
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> wrote:
I support Jia-Rong's proposal.
I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic.
satish
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote:
Thanks all,
As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers).
So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic.
If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead.
My 2 cents for consideration please.
Jia-Rong
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Hi Michael,
I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness.
My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities.
Kind regards,
Pam
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Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14
To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia>
Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia.
Pam,
You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them.
Any feedback?
Regards,
Michael Flemming
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Dear Kuo-wei, this group would be a list. I think it’s hard to met f2f, although, if the subgroup members happen to all be in the same place at the same time (e.g Johannesburg) we can work something out. Although to set expectations it won’t be a ‘session’ but I think finding a space and time can be done. Jia-Rong From: Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 2:48 PM To: Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org>, discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Jia-Rong, This group will be a list or looking for physical f2f meeting somewhere? Kuo Wu Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org>於 2017年5月23日 週二，14:46寫道： Dear all, Just to come back to the discussion and try to take things forward, for those interested in being part of the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: · Michael Flemming · Yaling Tan · Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) · Satish Babu Anyone else would like to join? For starters we can start a separate email thread, or group chat (e.g. on Skype or any preferred mode of IM). We can facilitate based on the preference. As suggested earlier, this group can discuss this issue in depth, and will also be the lead discussants for the next APAC Space session in July. I’d also read a couple of suggestions for other subgroups. If there is strong interest from a few we can also start them; or as suggested by others we can form them “on demand” (e.g. when the topic for the September APAC Space is being decided the subgroup could be formed based on that). Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 3:08 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic (Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!) Regards, Yannis On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn> wrote: Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand. As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants. Kind regards, Yaling Tan www.teleinfo.cn[teleinfo.cn] On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote: Agree with Michael. This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand. That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups? So far there is 1: - Data Privacy/Protection But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic... Edmon From: Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia] On Behalf Of Michael Flemming Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PM To: Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> Cc: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>; discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Rohit, I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest. If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties. I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once. Regards, Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> wrote: Dear All, I support the sub group concept. Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need. For example. (i) sub group for TLD discuss (ii) sub group for policy process . . After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things. Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere. Best Regards, Rohit Yadav https://About.ME/RY_Scientist[about.me] Twitter: @RY_Scientist Internet And ME (non-profit) http://www.InternetAndME.org[internetandme.org] On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote: I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already. Kuo Wu Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道： I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair. Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> wrote: I support Jia-Rong's proposal. I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic. satish On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote: Thanks all, As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers). So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic. If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead. My 2 cents for consideration please. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> Reply-To: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia>, Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Michael, I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness. My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------ From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com> Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14 To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia. Pam, You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them. Any feedback? 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Thanks. That's what I expect (hard to work in f2f). Kuo Wu Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org>於 2017年5月23日 週二，14:51寫道：
Dear Kuo-wei, this group would be a list. I think it’s hard to met f2f, although, if the subgroup members happen to all be in the same place at the same time (e.g Johannesburg) we can work something out. Although to set expectations it won’t be a ‘session’ but I think finding a space and time can be done.
Jia-Rong
*From: *Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> *Date: *Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 2:48 PM *To: *Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org>, discuss <discuss@tld.asia>
*Subject: *Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Jia-Rong,
This group will be a list or looking for physical f2f meeting somewhere?
Kuo Wu
Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org>於 2017年5月23日 週二，14:46寫道：
Dear all,
Just to come back to the discussion and try to take things forward, for those interested in being part of the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include:
· Michael Flemming
· Yaling Tan
· Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan)
· Satish Babu
Anyone else would like to join? For starters we can start a separate email thread, or group chat (e.g. on Skype or any preferred mode of IM). We can facilitate based on the preference. As suggested earlier, this group can discuss this issue in depth, and will also be the lead discussants for the next APAC Space session in July.
I’d also read a couple of suggestions for other subgroups. If there is strong interest from a few we can also start them; or as suggested by others we can form them “on demand” (e.g. when the topic for the September APAC Space is being decided the subgroup could be formed based on that).
Jia-Rong
*From: *Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia> *Date: *Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 3:08 PM *To: *discuss <discuss@tld.asia>
*Subject: *Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
(Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!)
Regards,
Yannis
On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn> wrote:
Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand.
As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants.
Kind regards,
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On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
Agree with Michael.
This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand.
That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups?
So far there is 1:
- Data Privacy/Protection
But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic...
Edmon
*From:* Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>] *On Behalf Of *Michael Flemming *Sent:* Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PM *To:* Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> *Cc:* Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>; discuss < discuss@tld.asia> *Subject:* Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Hi Rohit,
I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest.
If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties.
I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once.
Regards,
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> wrote:
Dear All,
I support the sub group concept.
Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need.
For example.
(i) sub group for TLD discuss
(ii) sub group for policy process
.
.
After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things.
Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere.
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On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already.
Kuo Wu
Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道：
I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair.
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> wrote:
I support Jia-Rong's proposal.
I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic.
satish
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote:
Thanks all,
As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers).
So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic.
If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead.
My 2 cents for consideration please.
Jia-Rong
*From: *Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> *Reply-To: *Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> *Date: *Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM *To: *discuss <discuss@tld.asia>, Tld_discuss < tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Hi Michael,
I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness.
My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities.
Kind regards,
Pam
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From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>
Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14
To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia>
Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia.
Pam,
You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them.
Any feedback?
Regards,
Michael Flemming
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Dear all, any other takers to join this subgroup? We’ll start a separate email thread on Monday. So let us know if you’d like to join. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 2:44 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, Just to come back to the discussion and try to take things forward, for those interested in being part of the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: Michael Flemming Yaling Tan Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) Satish Babu Anyone else would like to join? For starters we can start a separate email thread, or group chat (e.g. on Skype or any preferred mode of IM). We can facilitate based on the preference. As suggested earlier, this group can discuss this issue in depth, and will also be the lead discussants for the next APAC Space session in July. I’d also read a couple of suggestions for other subgroups. If there is strong interest from a few we can also start them; or as suggested by others we can form them “on demand” (e.g. when the topic for the September APAC Space is being decided the subgroup could be formed based on that). Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 3:08 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic (Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!) Regards, Yannis On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn> wrote: Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand. As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants. Kind regards, Yaling Tan www.teleinfo.cn[teleinfo.cn] On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote: Agree with Michael. This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand. That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups? So far there is 1: - Data Privacy/Protection But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic... Edmon From: Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia] On Behalf Of Michael Flemming Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PM To: Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> Cc: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>; discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Rohit, I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest. If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties. I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once. Regards, Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> wrote: Dear All, I support the sub group concept. Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need. For example. (i) sub group for TLD discuss (ii) sub group for policy process . . After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things. Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere. Best Regards, Rohit Yadav https://About.ME/RY_Scientist[about.me] Twitter: @RY_Scientist Internet And ME (non-profit) http://www.InternetAndME.org[internetandme.org] On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote: I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already. Kuo Wu Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道： I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair. Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> wrote: I support Jia-Rong's proposal. I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic. satish On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote: Thanks all, As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers). So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic. If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead. My 2 cents for consideration please. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> Reply-To: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia>, Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Michael, I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness. My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------ From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com> Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14 To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia. Pam, You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. 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Hi, I would like to join the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup as well. Regards Shiva Kanwar On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote:
Dear all, any other takers to join this subgroup? We’ll start a separate email thread on Monday. So let us know if you’d like to join.
Jia-Rong
*From: *Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> *Date: *Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 2:44 PM
*To: *discuss <discuss@tld.asia> *Subject: *Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Dear all,
Just to come back to the discussion and try to take things forward, for those interested in being part of the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include:
- Michael Flemming - Yaling Tan - Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) - Satish Babu
Anyone else would like to join? For starters we can start a separate email thread, or group chat (e.g. on Skype or any preferred mode of IM). We can facilitate based on the preference. As suggested earlier, this group can discuss this issue in depth, and will also be the lead discussants for the next APAC Space session in July.
I’d also read a couple of suggestions for other subgroups. If there is strong interest from a few we can also start them; or as suggested by others we can form them “on demand” (e.g. when the topic for the September APAC Space is being decided the subgroup could be formed based on that).
Jia-Rong
*From: *Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia> *Date: *Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 3:08 PM *To: *discuss <discuss@tld.asia> *Subject: *Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
(Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!)
Regards,
Yannis
On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn> wrote:
Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand.
As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants.
Kind regards,
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On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
Agree with Michael.
This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand.
That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups?
So far there is 1:
- Data Privacy/Protection
But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic...
Edmon
*From:* Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>] *On Behalf Of *Michael Flemming *Sent:* Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PM *To:* Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> *Cc:* Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>; discuss < discuss@tld.asia> *Subject:* Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Hi Rohit,
I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest.
If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties.
I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once.
Regards,
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> wrote:
Dear All,
I support the sub group concept.
Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need.
For example.
(i) sub group for TLD discuss
(ii) sub group for policy process
.
.
After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things.
Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere.
Best Regards, Rohit Yadav https://About.ME/RY_Scientist[about.me] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_RY-5FScientist&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=3z5QlNChCdEHzOQls7G_iAr1wC8UvScnW0BtMfsh92I&e=> Twitter: @RY_Scientist Internet And ME (non-profit) http://www.InternetAndME.org[internetandme.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.internetandme.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=vZAAOn56_dC5u9FudZYZI1wpzIiNv4KLGnwFudajlqA&e=>
On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already.
Kuo Wu
Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道：
I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair.
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> wrote:
I support Jia-Rong's proposal.
I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic.
satish
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote:
Thanks all,
As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers).
So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic.
If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead.
My 2 cents for consideration please.
Jia-Rong
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Hi Michael,
I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness.
My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities.
Kind regards,
Pam
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From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>
Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14
To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia>
Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia.
Pam,
You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them.
Any feedback?
Regards,
Michael Flemming
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Dear all, For those interested in being involved in the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: * Michael Flemming * Yaling Tan * Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) * Satish Babu * Rohit Yadav * Shiva Kanwar * Amrita Choudhury * Tomohiro Fujisaki * Holly Raiche We will start a separate email thread for this subgroup to kick-off discussions. We continue to welcome your participation – please feel free to write to us. Warm Regards, Joyce Chen From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> Date: Friday, 26 May 2017 at 11:51 AM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, any other takers to join this subgroup? We’ll start a separate email thread on Monday. So let us know if you’d like to join. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 2:44 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, Just to come back to the discussion and try to take things forward, for those interested in being part of the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: * Michael Flemming * Yaling Tan * Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) * Satish Babu Anyone else would like to join? For starters we can start a separate email thread, or group chat (e.g. on Skype or any preferred mode of IM). We can facilitate based on the preference. As suggested earlier, this group can discuss this issue in depth, and will also be the lead discussants for the next APAC Space session in July. I’d also read a couple of suggestions for other subgroups. If there is strong interest from a few we can also start them; or as suggested by others we can form them “on demand” (e.g. when the topic for the September APAC Space is being decided the subgroup could be formed based on that). Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 3:08 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic (Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!) Regards, Yannis On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn<mailto:tyl@teleinfo.cn>> wrote: Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand. As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants. Kind regards, Yaling Tan www.teleinfo.cn[teleinfo.cn]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.teleinfo.cn_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=XCQr7btoA9e4__fJkrpoL7P85b9jpDOIMN2Rol3OsR0&e=> On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia<mailto:edmon@registry.asia>> wrote: Agree with Michael. This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand. That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups? So far there is 1: - Data Privacy/Protection But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic... Edmon From: Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia] On Behalf Of Michael Flemming Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PM To: Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org<mailto:ry@internetandme.org>> Cc: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>>; discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Rohit, I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest. If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties. I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once. Regards, Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org<mailto:ry@internetandme.org>> wrote: Dear All, I support the sub group concept. Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need. For example. (i) sub group for TLD discuss (ii) sub group for policy process . . After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things. Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere. Best Regards, Rohit Yadav https://About.ME/RY_Scientist[about.me]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_RY-5FScientist&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=3z5QlNChCdEHzOQls7G_iAr1wC8UvScnW0BtMfsh92I&e=> Twitter: @RY_Scientist Internet And ME (non-profit) http://www.InternetAndME.org[internetandme.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.internetandme.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=vZAAOn56_dC5u9FudZYZI1wpzIiNv4KLGnwFudajlqA&e=> On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com<mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com>> wrote: I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already. Kuo Wu Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com<mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道： I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair. Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org<mailto:sbabu@ieee.org>> wrote: I support Jia-Rong's proposal. I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic. satish On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org<mailto:jiarong.low@icann.org>> wrote: Thanks all, As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers). So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic. If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead. My 2 cents for consideration please. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>> Reply-To: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>>, Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Michael, I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness. My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------ From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com<mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>> Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14 To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia. Pam, You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them. Any feedback? 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Dear all, Also including Harish Chowdhary in the list. Warm Regards, Joyce From: Joyce Chen <joyce.chen@icann.org> Date: Monday, 29 May 2017 at 11:47 AM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, For those interested in being involved in the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: * Michael Flemming * Yaling Tan * Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) * Satish Babu * Rohit Yadav * Shiva Kanwar * Amrita Choudhury * Tomohiro Fujisaki * Holly Raiche We will start a separate email thread for this subgroup to kick-off discussions. We continue to welcome your participation – please feel free to write to us. Warm Regards, Joyce Chen From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> Date: Friday, 26 May 2017 at 11:51 AM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, any other takers to join this subgroup? We’ll start a separate email thread on Monday. So let us know if you’d like to join. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 2:44 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, Just to come back to the discussion and try to take things forward, for those interested in being part of the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: * Michael Flemming * Yaling Tan * Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) * Satish Babu Anyone else would like to join? For starters we can start a separate email thread, or group chat (e.g. on Skype or any preferred mode of IM). We can facilitate based on the preference. As suggested earlier, this group can discuss this issue in depth, and will also be the lead discussants for the next APAC Space session in July. I’d also read a couple of suggestions for other subgroups. If there is strong interest from a few we can also start them; or as suggested by others we can form them “on demand” (e.g. when the topic for the September APAC Space is being decided the subgroup could be formed based on that). Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 3:08 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic (Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!) Regards, Yannis On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn<mailto:tyl@teleinfo.cn>> wrote: Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand. As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants. Kind regards, Yaling Tan www.teleinfo.cn[teleinfo.cn]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.teleinfo.cn_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=XCQr7btoA9e4__fJkrpoL7P85b9jpDOIMN2Rol3OsR0&e=> On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia<mailto:edmon@registry.asia>> wrote: Agree with Michael. This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand. That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups? So far there is 1: - Data Privacy/Protection But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic... Edmon From: Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia] On Behalf Of Michael Flemming Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PM To: Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org<mailto:ry@internetandme.org>> Cc: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>>; discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Rohit, I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest. If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties. I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once. Regards, Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org<mailto:ry@internetandme.org>> wrote: Dear All, I support the sub group concept. Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need. For example. (i) sub group for TLD discuss (ii) sub group for policy process . . After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things. Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere. Best Regards, Rohit Yadav https://About.ME/RY_Scientist[about.me]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_RY-5FScientist&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=3z5QlNChCdEHzOQls7G_iAr1wC8UvScnW0BtMfsh92I&e=> Twitter: @RY_Scientist Internet And ME (non-profit) http://www.InternetAndME.org[internetandme.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.internetandme.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=vZAAOn56_dC5u9FudZYZI1wpzIiNv4KLGnwFudajlqA&e=> On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com<mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com>> wrote: I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already. Kuo Wu Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com<mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道： I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair. Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org<mailto:sbabu@ieee.org>> wrote: I support Jia-Rong's proposal. I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic. satish On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org<mailto:jiarong.low@icann.org>> wrote: Thanks all, As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers). So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic. If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead. My 2 cents for consideration please. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>> Reply-To: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>>, Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Michael, I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness. My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------ From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com<mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>> Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14 To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia. Pam, You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them. Any feedback? Regards, Michael Flemming _______________________________________________ Tld_discuss mailing list Tld_discuss@tld.asia<mailto:Tld_discuss@tld.asia> https://mailman.dotasia.org/mailman/listinfo/tld_discuss[mailman.dotasia.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mailman.dotasia.org_mailman_listinfo_tld-5Fdiscuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=SDJnmq_3wYXy3Iumuu3B5FIf77Thm6cdUSQZjeJS0us&e=> _______________________________________________ Tld_discuss mailing list Tld_discuss@tld.asia<mailto:Tld_discuss@tld.asia> https://mailman.dotasia.org/mailman/listinfo/tld_discuss[mailman.dotasia.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mailman.dotasia.org_mailman_listinfo_tld-5Fdiscuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=SDJnmq_3wYXy3Iumuu3B5FIf77Thm6cdUSQZjeJS0us&e=> _______________________________________________ Tld_discuss mailing list Tld_discuss@tld.asia<mailto:Tld_discuss@tld.asia> https://mailman.dotasia.org/mailman/listinfo/tld_discuss[mailman.dotasia.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mailman.dotasia.org_mailman_listinfo_tld-5Fdiscuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=SDJnmq_3wYXy3Iumuu3B5FIf77Thm6cdUSQZjeJS0us&e=> _______________________________________________ Tld_discuss mailing list Tld_discuss@tld.asia<mailto:Tld_discuss@tld.asia> https://mailman.dotasia.org/mailman/listinfo/tld_discuss[mailman.dotasia.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mailman.dotasia.org_mailman_listinfo_tld-5Fdiscuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=SDJnmq_3wYXy3Iumuu3B5FIf77Thm6cdUSQZjeJS0us&e=> _______________________________________________ Tld_discuss mailing list Tld_discuss@tld.asia<mailto:Tld_discuss@tld.asia> https://mailman.dotasia.org/mailman/listinfo/tld_discuss
Hi, Kindly include me in the Data Protection and Privacy subgroup. Regards, Isha On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 8:51 PM, Joyce Chen <joyce.chen@icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
Also including Harish Chowdhary in the list.
Warm Regards,
Joyce
*From: *Joyce Chen <joyce.chen@icann.org> *Date: *Monday, 29 May 2017 at 11:47 AM
*To: *discuss <discuss@tld.asia> *Subject: *Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Dear all,
For those interested in being involved in the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include:
- Michael Flemming - Yaling Tan - Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) - Satish Babu - Rohit Yadav - Shiva Kanwar - Amrita Choudhury - Tomohiro Fujisaki - Holly Raiche
We will start a separate email thread for this subgroup to kick-off discussions. We continue to welcome your participation – please feel free to write to us.
Warm Regards,
Joyce Chen
*From: *Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> *Date: *Friday, 26 May 2017 at 11:51 AM *To: *discuss <discuss@tld.asia> *Subject: *Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Dear all, any other takers to join this subgroup? We’ll start a separate email thread on Monday. So let us know if you’d like to join.
Jia-Rong
*From: *Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> *Date: *Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 2:44 PM *To: *discuss <discuss@tld.asia> *Subject: *Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
Dear all,
Just to come back to the discussion and try to take things forward, for those interested in being part of the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include:
- Michael Flemming - Yaling Tan - Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) - Satish Babu
Anyone else would like to join? For starters we can start a separate email thread, or group chat (e.g. on Skype or any preferred mode of IM). We can facilitate based on the preference. As suggested earlier, this group can discuss this issue in depth, and will also be the lead discussants for the next APAC Space session in July.
I’d also read a couple of suggestions for other subgroups. If there is strong interest from a few we can also start them; or as suggested by others we can form them “on demand” (e.g. when the topic for the September APAC Space is being decided the subgroup could be formed based on that).
Jia-Rong
*From: *Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia> *Date: *Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 3:08 PM *To: *discuss <discuss@tld.asia> *Subject: *Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
(Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!)
Regards,
Yannis
On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn> wrote:
Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand.
As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants.
Kind regards,
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On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
Agree with Michael.
This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand.
That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups?
So far there is 1:
- Data Privacy/Protection
But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic...
Edmon
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Hi Rohit,
I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest.
If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties.
I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once.
Regards,
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> wrote:
Dear All,
I support the sub group concept.
Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need.
For example.
(i) sub group for TLD discuss
(ii) sub group for policy process
.
.
After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things.
Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere.
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On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already.
Kuo Wu
Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道：
I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair.
Michael Flemming
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> wrote:
I support Jia-Rong's proposal.
I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic.
satish
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote:
Thanks all,
As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers).
So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic.
If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead.
My 2 cents for consideration please.
Jia-Rong
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Hi Michael,
I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness.
My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities.
Kind regards,
Pam
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Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14
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Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic
This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia.
Pam,
You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them.
Any feedback?
Regards,
Michael Flemming
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Hi, Please include me in the Data protection and Privacy subgroup too, thank you! Best regards. -- Raymond Li | 李睿 raymond@allegravita.com<mailto:raymond@allegravita.com> | allegravita.com<http://allegravita.com/> ________________________________ From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Isha Suri <ishasuri97@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 3:00:35 PM To: Joyce Chen Cc: discuss Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi, Kindly include me in the Data Protection and Privacy subgroup. Regards, Isha On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 8:51 PM, Joyce Chen <joyce.chen@icann.org<mailto:joyce.chen@icann.org>> wrote: Dear all, Also including Harish Chowdhary in the list. Warm Regards, Joyce From: Joyce Chen <joyce.chen@icann.org<mailto:joyce.chen@icann.org>> Date: Monday, 29 May 2017 at 11:47 AM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, For those interested in being involved in the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: * Michael Flemming * Yaling Tan * Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) * Satish Babu * Rohit Yadav * Shiva Kanwar * Amrita Choudhury * Tomohiro Fujisaki * Holly Raiche We will start a separate email thread for this subgroup to kick-off discussions. We continue to welcome your participation – please feel free to write to us. Warm Regards, Joyce Chen From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org<mailto:jiarong.low@icann.org>> Date: Friday, 26 May 2017 at 11:51 AM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, any other takers to join this subgroup? We’ll start a separate email thread on Monday. So let us know if you’d like to join. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org<mailto:jiarong.low@icann.org>> Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 2:44 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, Just to come back to the discussion and try to take things forward, for those interested in being part of the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: * Michael Flemming * Yaling Tan * Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) * Satish Babu Anyone else would like to join? For starters we can start a separate email thread, or group chat (e.g. on Skype or any preferred mode of IM). We can facilitate based on the preference. As suggested earlier, this group can discuss this issue in depth, and will also be the lead discussants for the next APAC Space session in July. I’d also read a couple of suggestions for other subgroups. If there is strong interest from a few we can also start them; or as suggested by others we can form them “on demand” (e.g. when the topic for the September APAC Space is being decided the subgroup could be formed based on that). Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> on behalf of Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia<mailto:yannis@registry.asia>> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 3:08 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic (Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!) Regards, Yannis On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn<mailto:tyl@teleinfo.cn>> wrote: Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand. As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants. Kind regards, Yaling Tan www.teleinfo.cn[teleinfo.cn]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.teleinfo.cn_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=XCQr7btoA9e4__fJkrpoL7P85b9jpDOIMN2Rol3OsR0&e=> On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia<mailto:edmon@registry.asia>> wrote: Agree with Michael. This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand. That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups? So far there is 1: - Data Privacy/Protection But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic... Edmon From: Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia] On Behalf Of Michael Flemming Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PM To: Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org<mailto:ry@internetandme.org>> Cc: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>>; discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Rohit, I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest. If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties. I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once. Regards, Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org<mailto:ry@internetandme.org>> wrote: Dear All, I support the sub group concept. Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need. For example. (i) sub group for TLD discuss (ii) sub group for policy process . . After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things. Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere. Best Regards, Rohit Yadav https://About.ME/RY_Scientist[about.me]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_RY-5FScientist&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=3z5QlNChCdEHzOQls7G_iAr1wC8UvScnW0BtMfsh92I&e=> Twitter: @RY_Scientist Internet And ME (non-profit) http://www.InternetAndME.org[internetandme.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.internetandme.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=vZAAOn56_dC5u9FudZYZI1wpzIiNv4KLGnwFudajlqA&e=> On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com<mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com>> wrote: I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already. Kuo Wu Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com<mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道： I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair. Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org<mailto:sbabu@ieee.org>> wrote: I support Jia-Rong's proposal. I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic. satish On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org<mailto:jiarong.low@icann.org>> wrote: Thanks all, As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers). So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic. If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead. My 2 cents for consideration please. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>> Reply-To: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>>, Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Michael, I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness. My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------ From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com<mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>> Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14 To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia. Pam, You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them. Any feedback? 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Dear all, To those who have signed up for the APAC Space subgroup on Data Privacy & Protection, thank you for your interest. The current member list is as follows: * Michael Flemming * Yaling Tan * Kuowei Wu * Satish Babu * Rohit Yadav * Shiva Kanwar * Amrita Choudhury * Tomohiro Fujisaki * Holly Raiche * Harish Chowdhary * Isha Suri * Shahul Hameed * Rajiv Kumar * Raymond Li Warm Regards, Joyce From: Raymond Li <raymond@allegravita.com> Date: Tuesday, 30 May 2017 at 9:59 AM To: Joyce Chen <joyce.chen@icann.org> Cc: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi, Please include me in the Data protection and Privacy subgroup too, thank you! Best regards. -- Raymond Li | 李睿 raymond@allegravita.com<mailto:raymond@allegravita.com> | allegravita.com[allegravita.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__allegravita.com_&d=DwMFog&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=MPcZin4NXAhjsxXnnJ3rMZu9ZtgC5_6o_fJL8IkXPjg&m=7O0A39SUtXfffseC2AKTfPprSvcuTbZYLn7-0gXKO3U&s=d7umx7a5gGpQIbbMFhGztzfJY1uL7N8y3y-179mnlGM&e=> ________________________________ From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Isha Suri <ishasuri97@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 3:00:35 PM To: Joyce Chen Cc: discuss Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi, Kindly include me in the Data Protection and Privacy subgroup. Regards, Isha On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 8:51 PM, Joyce Chen <joyce.chen@icann.org<mailto:joyce.chen@icann.org>> wrote: Dear all, Also including Harish Chowdhary in the list. Warm Regards, Joyce From: Joyce Chen <joyce.chen@icann.org<mailto:joyce.chen@icann.org>> Date: Monday, 29 May 2017 at 11:47 AM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, For those interested in being involved in the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: * Michael Flemming * Yaling Tan * Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) * Satish Babu * Rohit Yadav * Shiva Kanwar * Amrita Choudhury * Tomohiro Fujisaki * Holly Raiche We will start a separate email thread for this subgroup to kick-off discussions. We continue to welcome your participation – please feel free to write to us. Warm Regards, Joyce Chen From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org<mailto:jiarong.low@icann.org>> Date: Friday, 26 May 2017 at 11:51 AM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, any other takers to join this subgroup? We’ll start a separate email thread on Monday. So let us know if you’d like to join. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org<mailto:jiarong.low@icann.org>> Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 2:44 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, Just to come back to the discussion and try to take things forward, for those interested in being part of the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: * Michael Flemming * Yaling Tan * Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) * Satish Babu Anyone else would like to join? For starters we can start a separate email thread, or group chat (e.g. on Skype or any preferred mode of IM). We can facilitate based on the preference. As suggested earlier, this group can discuss this issue in depth, and will also be the lead discussants for the next APAC Space session in July. I’d also read a couple of suggestions for other subgroups. If there is strong interest from a few we can also start them; or as suggested by others we can form them “on demand” (e.g. when the topic for the September APAC Space is being decided the subgroup could be formed based on that). Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> on behalf of Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia<mailto:yannis@registry.asia>> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 3:08 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic (Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!) Regards, Yannis On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn<mailto:tyl@teleinfo.cn>> wrote: Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand. As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants. Kind regards, Yaling Tan www.teleinfo.cn[teleinfo.cn]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.teleinfo.cn_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=XCQr7btoA9e4__fJkrpoL7P85b9jpDOIMN2Rol3OsR0&e=> On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia<mailto:edmon@registry.asia>> wrote: Agree with Michael. This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand. That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups? So far there is 1: - Data Privacy/Protection But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic... Edmon From: Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia] On Behalf Of Michael Flemming Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PM To: Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org<mailto:ry@internetandme.org>> Cc: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>>; discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Rohit, I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest. If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties. I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once. Regards, Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org<mailto:ry@internetandme.org>> wrote: Dear All, I support the sub group concept. Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need. For example. (i) sub group for TLD discuss (ii) sub group for policy process . . After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things. Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere. Best Regards, Rohit Yadav https://About.ME/RY_Scientist[about.me]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_RY-5FScientist&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=3z5QlNChCdEHzOQls7G_iAr1wC8UvScnW0BtMfsh92I&e=> Twitter: @RY_Scientist Internet And ME (non-profit) http://www.InternetAndME.org[internetandme.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.internetandme.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=vZAAOn56_dC5u9FudZYZI1wpzIiNv4KLGnwFudajlqA&e=> On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com<mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com>> wrote: I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already. Kuo Wu Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com<mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道： I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair. Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org<mailto:sbabu@ieee.org>> wrote: I support Jia-Rong's proposal. I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic. satish On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org<mailto:jiarong.low@icann.org>> wrote: Thanks all, As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers). So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic. If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead. My 2 cents for consideration please. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>> Reply-To: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>>, Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia<mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>> Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Michael, I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness. My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------ From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com<mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>> Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14 To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia<mailto:discuss@tld.asia>> Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia. Pam, You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them. Any feedback? 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Hi, Please include me in the Data protection and Privacy subgroup too, thank you! Best regards.SaurabhFrom: Joyce Chen <joyce.chen@icann.org>Sent: Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:45 GMT+0530To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia>Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space TopicDear all, For those interested in being involved in the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: Michael Flemming Yaling Tan Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) Satish Babu Rohit Yadav Shiva Kanwar Amrita Choudhury Tomohiro Fujisaki Holly Raiche We will start a separate email thread for this subgroup to kick-off discussions. We continue to welcome your participation – please feel free to write to us. Warm Regards, Joyce Chen From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org>Date: Friday, 26 May 2017 at 11:51 AMTo: discuss <discuss@tld.asia>Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, any other takers to join this subgroup? We’ll start a separate email thread on Monday. So let us know if you’d like to join. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org>Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 2:44 PMTo: discuss <discuss@tld.asia>Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, Just to come back to the discussion and try to take things forward, for those interested in being part of the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: Michael Flemming Yaling Tan Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) Satish Babu Anyone else would like to join? For starters we can start a separate email thread, or group chat (e.g. on Skype or any preferred mode of IM). We can facilitate based on the preference. As suggested earlier, this group can discuss this issue in depth, and will also be the lead discussants for the next APAC Space session in July. I’d also read a couple of suggestions for other subgroups. If there is strong interest from a few we can also start them; or as suggested by others we can form them “on demand” (e.g. when the topic for the September APAC Space is being decided the subgroup could be formed based on that). Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia>Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 3:08 PMTo: discuss <discuss@tld.asia>Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic (Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!) Regards, Yannis On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn> wrote: Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand. As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants. Kind regards,Yaling Tanwww.teleinfo.cn[teleinfo.cn] On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote: Agree with Michael. This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand. That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups? So far there is 1: - Data Privacy/Protection But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic... Edmon From: Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia] On Behalf Of Michael FlemmingSent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PMTo: Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org>Cc: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>; discuss <discuss@tld.asia>Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Rohit, I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest. If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties. I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once. Regards, Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> wrote: Dear All, I support the sub group concept. Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need. For example. (i) sub group for TLD discuss (ii) sub group for policy process . . After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things. Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere. Best Regards,Rohit Yadavhttps://About.ME/RY_Scientist[about.me]Twitter: @RY_ScientistInternet And ME (non-profit)http://www.InternetAndME.org[internetandme.org] On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote: I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already. Kuo Wu Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道： I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair. Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> wrote: I support Jia-Rong's proposal. I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic. satish On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote: Thanks all, As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers). So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic. If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead. My 2 cents for consideration please. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>Reply-To: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PMTo: discuss <discuss@tld.asia>, Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Michael, I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness. My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------ From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com> Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14 To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia. Pam, You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them. Any feedback? 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Hello Also if it is not too late, I would like to be a member of the subgroup so that I could follow up the issue. This is my information. ------------------------------ Chang ki, Jang / Global Business Team Manager / Gabia, Inc / South Korea ------------------------------ Best Regards, Chang ki, Jang / Global Business Team / Gabia, Inc -- ---------------------------------------------- TEL : 82-2- 829-3543 FAX : 82-2- 848-6622 E-Mail : rrinfo@gabia.com,partner-support@gabia.com URL: http://www.gabia.com -- ---------------------------------------------- From: Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia] On Behalf Of Saurabh Dubey Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:26 PM To: Joyce Chen Cc: discuss Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi, Please include me in the Data protection and Privacy subgroup too, thank you! Best regards. Saurabh From: Joyce Chen <joyce.chen@icann.org> Sent: Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:45 GMT+0530 To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, For those interested in being involved in the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: * Michael Flemming * Yaling Tan * Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) * Satish Babu * Rohit Yadav * Shiva Kanwar * Amrita Choudhury * Tomohiro Fujisaki * Holly Raiche We will start a separate email thread for this subgroup to kick-off discussions. We continue to welcome your participation – please feel free to write to us. Warm Regards, Joyce Chen From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> Date: Friday, 26 May 2017 at 11:51 AM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, any other takers to join this subgroup? We’ll start a separate email thread on Monday. So let us know if you’d like to join. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 2:44 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear all, Just to come back to the discussion and try to take things forward, for those interested in being part of the Data Privacy and Protection subgroup, the current list of names include: * Michael Flemming * Yaling Tan * Kuowei Wu (who will also be inviting someone from Taiwan) * Satish Babu Anyone else would like to join? For starters we can start a separate email thread, or group chat (e.g. on Skype or any preferred mode of IM). We can facilitate based on the preference. As suggested earlier, this group can discuss this issue in depth, and will also be the lead discussants for the next APAC Space session in July. I’d also read a couple of suggestions for other subgroups. If there is strong interest from a few we can also start them; or as suggested by others we can form them “on demand” (e.g. when the topic for the September APAC Space is being decided the subgroup could be formed based on that). Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 3:08 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic (Sorry just a side note that everyone please do remove tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia when you reply to the list to avoid bounce back, Thanks!) Regards, Yannis On 18 May 2017, at 2:55 PM, Yaling Tan <tyl@teleinfo.cn> wrote: Agree, the subgroup should be created on demand. As to the subgroups, since lots of people are interested in the subsequent rounds application, I’d suggest we set up that group too, and then we can delve into sub topics that might be of mutual interests for APAC participants. Kind regards, Yaling Tan www.teleinfo.cn[teleinfo.cn] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.teleinfo.cn_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=XCQr7btoA9e4__fJkrpoL7P85b9jpDOIMN2Rol3OsR0&e=> On 18 May 2017, at 2:26 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote: Agree with Michael. This should be a rather free flowing space, so it should be easy to form subgroups, no need to make all of them at once, and can create on demand. That being said... we still need one or two to get started :-D so what are relevant subgroups? So far there is 1: - Data Privacy/Protection But if it is just 1... then we can just use this list :-D... Until people want to opt out because we are talking too much about the topic... Edmon From: Tld_discuss [mailto:tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia] On Behalf Of Michael Flemming Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 13:52 PM To: Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> Cc: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>; discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] Re: [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Rohit, I think we should focus on subgroups only where there is a request for one. Rather than penning down how many possible subgroups we might need, lets leave it open to a request and support system. If we have jot down a list of how many sub groups we might need, then many people might get confused and not know what to join or why. I also fear we might be exhausting resources on trying to formulate a subgroup where there is a lack of interest. If we were a specific interest group with a similar objective, then that would probably work. However, this is a community forum, rather than a stakeholder group mailing list. Our interests and positions are very different from each other but can be grouped together when there is an overlap of interests between the different parties. I just think a simpler approach would be best rather than going all out at once. Regards, Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org> wrote: Dear All, I support the sub group concept. Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need. For example. (i) sub group for TLD discuss (ii) sub group for policy process . . After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things. Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere. Best Regards, Rohit Yadav <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_RY-5FScientist&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=3z5QlNChCdEHzOQls7G_iAr1wC8UvScnW0BtMfsh92I&e=> https://About.ME/RY_Scientist[about.me] Twitter: @RY_Scientist Internet And ME (non-profit) <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.internetandme.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=3zn5qHV0pOVMZPXYP862Cws0kEOvuJjvdSDVS9QjGS0&m=uaW1xsNLv0eyG7OyRlp9BhYC9YLXAdJ3iqSGv_9n0Iw&s=vZAAOn56_dC5u9FudZYZI1wpzIiNv4KLGnwFudajlqA&e=> http://www.InternetAndME.org[internetandme.org] On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote: I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already. Kuo Wu Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道： I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair. Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> wrote: I support Jia-Rong's proposal. I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic. satish On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote: Thanks all, As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers). So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic. If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead. My 2 cents for consideration please. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> Reply-To: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PM To: discuss <discuss@tld.asia>, Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Michael, I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness. My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------ From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com> Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14 To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia. Pam, You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. I think that there are still a lot of individuals who are not aware of the GDPR and how or if it may affect them. Any feedback? 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Hi,I would also suggest subgroups on 1- Deployment issues of Internationalized e-mails2- IDN adoption,promotion and awarenessThanks,Harish Chowdhary From: Rohit Yadav <ry@internetandme.org>Sent: Thu, 18 May 2017 11:22:20 GMT+0530To: Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com>Cc: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>, discuss <discuss@tld.asia>Subject: Re: [APAC_Space] [Ext] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Dear All, I support the sub group concept. Just before moving forward I would like to suggest to Jia, Edmon and all active members to pen down the name (and numbers) of sub group(s) which we might need. For example. (i) sub group for TLD discuss (ii) sub group for policy process . . After this we can ask the enthusiastic people to opt for their discussion point which group they feel comfortable to join. And when they are accustomed, they can move to other sub group to learn other things. Feel free to negate if I'm wrong anywhere. Best Regards,Rohit Yadavhttps://About.ME/RY_ScientistTwitter: @RY_ScientistInternet And ME (non-profit)http://www.InternetAndME.org ; On 18-May-2017 10:57, Kuo-Wei Wu <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote: I also support Jia-Rong's proposal for the subgroup on Data Privacy and Protection. I might also invite someone from Taiwan to join too. It is a law in Taiwan for several years already. Kuo Wu Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com>於 2017年5月18日 週四，13:19寫道： I support the subgroup for Data Privacy. I am by-means no expert on legal issues and hope someone who has been more active in the GDPR discussions in the RySG/RrSG might take the helm as Chair. Michael Flemming On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> wrote: I support Jia-Rong's proposal.I'd also like to sign up for the sub group on Data Privacy/Protection, which I hope will be chaired by someone who's conversant with the topic. satish On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Jia-Rong Low <jiarong.low@icann.org> wrote: Thanks all, As mentioned during the call on subgroups, would suggest that a ‘subgroup’ be formed for those interested to discuss this topic in depth. The subgroup can then be the lead for our next APAC Space in sharing about this topic, and highlighting areas of interest particularly for the APAC region. Following the sharing/presentation, we will continue with the community discussion, which Edmon can facilitate as usual (unless there are other takers). So in this case if we’re going for Data Privacy/Protection, within this mailing list those interested can form a subgroup. If required, I can provide a call bridge/adobe connect for this subgroup to discuss or share information in depth (although Skype or a group chat might be more nimble for a smaller group), and also to plan what to share at the next APAC Space. Then at the next APAC Space this subgroup will be our community leads to highlight this topic. If this works then this might be the way to increase volunteerism for future APAC Space sessions. Different people would be interested/involved in different topics, so as the topics change we will have different people come forward to take the lead. My 2 cents for consideration please. Jia-Rong From: Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia> on behalf of Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>Reply-To: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>Date: Thursday, 18 May 2017 at 12:37 PMTo: discuss <discuss@tld.asia>, Tld_discuss <tld_discuss-bounces@tld.asia>Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC_Space] [Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic Hi Michael, I have no objection if the group wishes to cover this topic for the purpose of raising awareness. My experience is that there is a lot of general information available online and lots of discussions within the ICANN community. But when it comes to compliance with GDPR or other privacy/data protection laws, the devil is in the detail. So even though there are many so-called "experts" in privacy laws, few are familiar with the domain industry, let alone each registry's or registrar's idiosyncracies. And in the case of China, there are additional complexities. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------ From:Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com> Time:2017 May 18 (Thu) 14:14 To:discuss <discuss@tld.asia> Subject:[Tld_discuss] Continuing the Discussion: Proposition for Next APAC Space Topic This is to continue the topic about the next APAC space topic. On the call, I proposed the topic of Data Privacy/Protection as an topic of interest. More specifically, I looked at discussing about the GDPR and how it affects us here in Asia. Pam, You brought up a very good point about how this is being discussed as a co-RySG (Registry Stakeholder Group / RrSG (Registrar Stakeholder Group effort to seek a path forward with ICANN. I know that a discussion on this in the APAC space would be very broad. I also agree that each organization should seek their own legal advice. However, merely having the discussion itself on a broad level will spread awareness. 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participants (15)
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Edmon Chung -
Harish Chowdhary -
Isha Suri -
Jang Chang-Ki -
Jia-Rong Low -
Joyce Chen -
Kuo-Wei Wu -
Michael Flemming -
Raymond Li -
Rohit Yadav -
Satish Babu -
Saurabh Dubey -
Shiva Kanwar -
Yaling Tan -
Yannis Li