Proposed Next Steps for APILP and Call on 13 June (Fri) 2pm SGT
Dear all, Thanks to all who have provided your comments to the TOR! The comment period for the TOR for the APILP closed last Fri, 6 June. The latest draft TOR document is attached. For your ease of reference, I'll also be posting the key development and documents for this APILP initiative on the ICANN community wiki here: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=48334730 Proposed Next Steps On the way forward for APILP, we've received some suggestions. As secretariat for this group, may we propose the following:
1) Nomination of Chair and Vice Chair: At the APILP Open Working Group discussion during ICANN49 Singapore in March 2014, we asked for volunteers to be part of this Working Group (WG). You are included in this group as you have indicated your interest to be part of the WG - thanks for this. We are inviting nomination of Chair and Vice Chair to this APILP-WG.
2) On APILP discussion during APrIGF Delhi (Aug): There were some suggestions for APrIGF in Delhi, Aug, in relation to APILP, including a presentation of the APILP workshop proposal. We hope to seek comments to the two proposals (a) and (b) below.
(a) For the APILP-WG to have a face to face meeting to discuss the TOR during Delhi APrIGF (Aug);
(b) To do a first run of the APILP during Delhi APrIGF (Aug), initial draft proposal as attached (Proposal 1).
For (a), as the APrIGF is still another 2 months away, assuming we do go ahead with TOR discussion then, there is still some time to further flesh out some of the proposed approach and proposals that we've received in the meantime. This can then be discussed together with the TOR if necessary. For (b), we welcome feedback to Proposal 1 (such as curriculum, fees, participant numbers etc), as well as other proposals if there are.
3) Others: Other suggestions, if any, are welcome too.
APILP Conference Call In view of the above, we'd like to also propose to do a call to go through 1) (Nomination), and if possible and time permits, discuss the proposals in 2) on 13 June (Fri) 2pm-3pm Singapore time (UTC 0600-0700). We will share the call details and the names of the WG members in a subsequent email. Thank you. Regards, Kelvin Kelvin WONG Head, Outreach & Public Responsibility, Asia Pacific Asia Pacific Hub, Singapore Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Direct: +65 6808 6672 www.icann.org <http://www.icann.org> From: "Ang Peng Hwa (Prof)" <TPHANG@ntu.edu.sg> Date: Friday, May 30, 2014 7:23 PM To: Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia> Cc: "apilp_discuss@apilp.asia" <apilp_discuss@apilp.asia> Subject: Re: [Apilp_discuss] Fwd: For discussion: Draft Terms of Reference for Asia Pacific Internet Leadership Program (APILP) Agreed. It’ll be a good opportunity to work out the ToR. Regards, Peng Hwa From: Yannis Li [mailto:yannis@registry.asia] Sent: Friday, 30 May, 2014 5:57 PM To: Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) Cc: Hong Xue; Srinivas Chendi; apilp_discuss@apilp.asia Subject: Re: [Apilp_discuss] Fwd: For discussion: Draft Terms of Reference for Asia Pacific Internet Leadership Program (APILP) Dear All, FYI, Hong has kindly helped to submit a workshop proposal on this APILP initiative which opens for discussion during APrIGF Delhi from 3-6 Aug which is around 2-month time away. While I agree with Penghwa that acting quick is essential, APrIGF shall give us another good F2F opportunity to further discuss about the future of this initiative as well. Would encourage any of you here to attend and join the session. More information could be found at http://2014.rigf.asia. The agenda is under development though. Thanks. Best Regards, Yannis Li DotAsia Organisation Ltd. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- Address: 12F, Daily House, 35-37 Haiphong Road, Tsim Sha Tsui, Hong Kong Tel: +852 2244 7900 ＿Fax: +852 2244 7902 ＿http://www.dot.asia On 29 May 2014, at 4:56 PM, Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) wrote: Hi Sunny and Hong. I had been travelling for about a couple of weeks and was looking for the draft ToR that Peter had amended. Curiously enough I did not see it until this ToR v3. The ToR includes what I―and I suppose some others too―consider ambitious. I’m concerned that if we take as long as we did in crafting the ToR as our APrIGF CFP template, then many moons might pass. And the APrIGF had the benefit of a couple of runs. May I suggest this: we do the run. And we meet f2f to aim to conclude the ToR. I am proposing a 1-day session because I am thinking of the Indian bureaucrats who may form a sizeable group. It’s really a primer. I’m also concerned that a longer duration would not be manageable. Also, I’m concerned that if it’s too extended, people would have a hard time extending their stay. Appended below is the draft curriculum. Essentially―background+context, the technical aspects (to explain the root server), the stakeholders and their roles, and then the current status. I have highlighted the speaker for PM1 as I was in Sri Lanka and met Rohan Samarjiva and he had expressed interest to attend if we invite him. Rohan is a friend, ex-professor at Ohio State in telecom, a former DG of Sri Lanka Telecom but now heading a think-tank in ICT policy. He is therefore comfortable in both the ITU and Internet space and therefore not hostile to the Internet. Speakers for the other slots are open. Let me know your thoughts. TimeTopicContentSpeakers (Tentative)Remarks Day 1 AM1Welcome & IntroductionIntroduction to the programme The Development of the InternetSets the context, development and background of key playersHistorical Context AM2Infrastructure: How the Internet worksDNS, IP addresses, peering, IPv4/6APNIC(?)Technical background PM1Stakeholders, role and policiesThe connection between Internet and telecomRohan SamarajivaTentative PM2Current DevelopmentWGIG and the Background to the IGF NetMundialPanelIGF and current status Regards, Peng Hwa From: apilp_discuss-bounces@apilp.asia [mailto:apilp_discuss-bounces@apilp.asia] On Behalf Of Hong Xue Sent: Thursday, 29 May, 2014 1:21 PM To: Srinivas Chendi Cc: apilp_discuss@apilp.asia Subject: Re: [Apilp_discuss] Fwd: For discussion: Draft Terms of Reference for Asia Pacific Internet Leadership Program (APILP) Thanks, Sunny, the modifications look very good. Regarding 5.1, yes we would need to compose the WG sooner rather than later. Hong Professor Dr. Hong Xue Director of Beijing Normal University Institute for Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) Co-Director of UNCITRAL-BNU Joint Certificate Program on International E-Commerce Law http://www.iipl.org.cn/ 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street Beijing 100875 China On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Srinivas Chendi <sunny@apnic.net> wrote: Dear Kelvin, Thanks for circulating the ToR v3 for comments and thanks to Peter for providing his suggested changes. APNIC suggested changes are in the attached version 4 document. With regards to APILP or APIGLP, we prefer with APILP as it is broad and inclusive which can cover a number of topics. 5.1.a This is a very important and is a very big job but who will do it? Regards Sunny On 6/05/2014 7:02 PM, Kelvin Wong wrote:
Dear Peter, well received. Thanks for your comments and edits! Circulating to APILP (for now) mailing list.
Regards, Kelvin
Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:
*From:* Peter Dengate Thrush <barrister@chambers.gen.nz <mailto:barrister@chambers.gen.nz>> *Date:* 6 May, 2014 12:04:40 am GMT+9 *To:* Kelvin Wong <kelvin.wong@icann.org <mailto:kelvin.wong@icann.org>> *Subject:* *Re: [Apilp_discuss] For discussion: Draft Terms of Reference for Asia Pacific Internet Leadership Program (APILP)*
Kelvin I seem to be having trouble posting to the list - please forward this for me - thanks
regards
Peter
Thanks Kelvin, This is an excellent start - it seems to have been a productive meeting at ICANN Singapore, and I am sorry I missed it.
I have made some suggested changes in Version 3 of the document which I attach. In proposing these, I note first how much easier it is to critique other's work than it it is to create it - thanks again for the first draft, which sets the scene very effectively.
Other than some changes such as numbering and some grammar edits, I think there could be some productive discussion about a couple of items:
1. The name - as its about Internet Governance, it seems sensible to me to include that in the name of the document and the name of the exercise. Its not just about "Internet Leadership" which is being done in many areas, of registry management, law, security etc, but specifically about IG. I think its healthier to acknowledge and display that focus.
2. I am not accustomed to describing the Asia Pacific area as "APAC", so started to re-name it AP - but didn't continue....happy to defer if there is a widespread acceptance of that abbreviation.
3. I am somewhat concerned at the current focus on the domain name industry: I have highlit the term a few times. I think both that there is more to the IG topic than that, and also that the domain name industry can be expected to be busy taking care of itself through such organisations as APTLD, ICANN and the newly formed Domain Name Association ( "DNA"). Although I think we need to be careful about opening the door to an unlimited range of topics, I have added IP address allocation mechanisms, multistakeholderism, online human rights, network security and network neutrality as possible topics. In any event, these should be signals, rather than instructions to those who will eventually draft the actual curriculum.
4. I have separated out and made clearer the tasks of preparing the curriculum from preparing business and financial plans to support it.
I hope these suggestion might be thought useful in furthering the discussion - thanks.
Regards
Peter
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Dear everyone, We've just received another proposal on the APILP, from Leo Hwa Chiang. I've named this as Proposal 2, and I'm re-attaching the rest of the document for your reference. Just to share, Leo is the Director of Asia Business Development in IEEE APAC, based in Singapore. He also oversees IEEE educational activities. He joined this WG sometime in April. Circulating on your behalf, thanks Leo. Regards, Kelvin Kelvin WONG Head, Outreach & Public Responsibility, Asia Pacific Asia Pacific Hub, Singapore Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Direct: +65 6808 6672 www.icann.org <http://www.icann.org> From: Kelvin Wong <kelvin.wong@icann.org> Date: Monday, June 9, 2014 4:39 PM To: "apilp_discuss@apilp.asia" <apilp_discuss@apilp.asia> Subject: [Apilp_discuss] Proposed Next Steps for APILP and Call on 13 June (Fri) 2pm SGT Dear all, Thanks to all who have provided your comments to the TOR! The comment period for the TOR for the APILP closed last Fri, 6 June. The latest draft TOR document is attached. For your ease of reference, I'll also be posting the key development and documents for this APILP initiative on the ICANN community wiki here: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=48334730 Proposed Next Steps On the way forward for APILP, we've received some suggestions. As secretariat for this group, may we propose the following:
1) Nomination of Chair and Vice Chair: At the APILP Open Working Group discussion during ICANN49 Singapore in March 2014, we asked for volunteers to be part of this Working Group (WG). You are included in this group as you have indicated your interest to be part of the WG - thanks for this. We are inviting nomination of Chair and Vice Chair to this APILP-WG.
2) On APILP discussion during APrIGF Delhi (Aug): There were some suggestions for APrIGF in Delhi, Aug, in relation to APILP, including a presentation of the APILP workshop proposal. We hope to seek comments to the two proposals (a) and (b) below.
(a) For the APILP-WG to have a face to face meeting to discuss the TOR during Delhi APrIGF (Aug);
(b) To do a first run of the APILP during Delhi APrIGF (Aug), initial draft proposal as attached (Proposal 1).
For (a), as the APrIGF is still another 2 months away, assuming we do go ahead with TOR discussion then, there is still some time to further flesh out some of the proposed approach and proposals that we've received in the meantime. This can then be discussed together with the TOR if necessary. For (b), we welcome feedback to Proposal 1 (such as curriculum, fees, participant numbers etc), as well as other proposals if there are.
3) Others: Other suggestions, if any, are welcome too.
APILP Conference Call In view of the above, we'd like to also propose to do a call to go through 1) (Nomination), and if possible and time permits, discuss the proposals in 2) on 13 June (Fri) 2pm-3pm Singapore time (UTC 0600-0700). We will share the call details and the names of the WG members in a subsequent email. Thank you. Regards, Kelvin Kelvin WONG Head, Outreach & Public Responsibility, Asia Pacific Asia Pacific Hub, Singapore Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Direct: +65 6808 6672 www.icann.org <http://www.icann.org> From: "Ang Peng Hwa (Prof)" <TPHANG@ntu.edu.sg> Date: Friday, May 30, 2014 7:23 PM To: Yannis Li <yannis@registry.asia> Cc: "apilp_discuss@apilp.asia" <apilp_discuss@apilp.asia> Subject: Re: [Apilp_discuss] Fwd: For discussion: Draft Terms of Reference for Asia Pacific Internet Leadership Program (APILP) Agreed. It’ll be a good opportunity to work out the ToR. Regards, Peng Hwa From: Yannis Li [mailto:yannis@registry.asia] Sent: Friday, 30 May, 2014 5:57 PM To: Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) Cc: Hong Xue; Srinivas Chendi; apilp_discuss@apilp.asia Subject: Re: [Apilp_discuss] Fwd: For discussion: Draft Terms of Reference for Asia Pacific Internet Leadership Program (APILP) Dear All, FYI, Hong has kindly helped to submit a workshop proposal on this APILP initiative which opens for discussion during APrIGF Delhi from 3-6 Aug which is around 2-month time away. While I agree with Penghwa that acting quick is essential, APrIGF shall give us another good F2F opportunity to further discuss about the future of this initiative as well. Would encourage any of you here to attend and join the session. More information could be found at http://2014.rigf.asia. The agenda is under development though. Thanks. Best Regards, Yannis Li DotAsia Organisation Ltd. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- Address: 12F, Daily House, 35-37 Haiphong Road, Tsim Sha Tsui, Hong Kong Tel: +852 2244 7900 ＿Fax: +852 2244 7902 ＿http://www.dot.asia On 29 May 2014, at 4:56 PM, Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) wrote: Hi Sunny and Hong. I had been travelling for about a couple of weeks and was looking for the draft ToR that Peter had amended. Curiously enough I did not see it until this ToR v3. The ToR includes what I―and I suppose some others too―consider ambitious. I’m concerned that if we take as long as we did in crafting the ToR as our APrIGF CFP template, then many moons might pass. And the APrIGF had the benefit of a couple of runs. May I suggest this: we do the run. And we meet f2f to aim to conclude the ToR. I am proposing a 1-day session because I am thinking of the Indian bureaucrats who may form a sizeable group. It’s really a primer. I’m also concerned that a longer duration would not be manageable. Also, I’m concerned that if it’s too extended, people would have a hard time extending their stay. Appended below is the draft curriculum. Essentially―background+context, the technical aspects (to explain the root server), the stakeholders and their roles, and then the current status. I have highlighted the speaker for PM1 as I was in Sri Lanka and met Rohan Samarjiva and he had expressed interest to attend if we invite him. Rohan is a friend, ex-professor at Ohio State in telecom, a former DG of Sri Lanka Telecom but now heading a think-tank in ICT policy. He is therefore comfortable in both the ITU and Internet space and therefore not hostile to the Internet. Speakers for the other slots are open. Let me know your thoughts. TimeTopicContentSpeakers (Tentative)Remarks Day 1 AM1Welcome & IntroductionIntroduction to the programme The Development of the InternetSets the context, development and background of key playersHistorical Context AM2Infrastructure: How the Internet worksDNS, IP addresses, peering, IPv4/6APNIC(?)Technical background PM1Stakeholders, role and policiesThe connection between Internet and telecomRohan SamarajivaTentative PM2Current DevelopmentWGIG and the Background to the IGF NetMundialPanelIGF and current status Regards, Peng Hwa From: apilp_discuss-bounces@apilp.asia [mailto:apilp_discuss-bounces@apilp.asia] On Behalf Of Hong Xue Sent: Thursday, 29 May, 2014 1:21 PM To: Srinivas Chendi Cc: apilp_discuss@apilp.asia Subject: Re: [Apilp_discuss] Fwd: For discussion: Draft Terms of Reference for Asia Pacific Internet Leadership Program (APILP) Thanks, Sunny, the modifications look very good. Regarding 5.1, yes we would need to compose the WG sooner rather than later. Hong Professor Dr. Hong Xue Director of Beijing Normal University Institute for Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) Co-Director of UNCITRAL-BNU Joint Certificate Program on International E-Commerce Law http://www.iipl.org.cn/ 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street Beijing 100875 China On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Srinivas Chendi <sunny@apnic.net> wrote: Dear Kelvin, Thanks for circulating the ToR v3 for comments and thanks to Peter for providing his suggested changes. APNIC suggested changes are in the attached version 4 document. With regards to APILP or APIGLP, we prefer with APILP as it is broad and inclusive which can cover a number of topics. 5.1.a This is a very important and is a very big job but who will do it? Regards Sunny On 6/05/2014 7:02 PM, Kelvin Wong wrote:
Dear Peter, well received. Thanks for your comments and edits! Circulating to APILP (for now) mailing list.
Regards, Kelvin
Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:
*From:* Peter Dengate Thrush <barrister@chambers.gen.nz <mailto:barrister@chambers.gen.nz>> *Date:* 6 May, 2014 12:04:40 am GMT+9 *To:* Kelvin Wong <kelvin.wong@icann.org <mailto:kelvin.wong@icann.org>> *Subject:* *Re: [Apilp_discuss] For discussion: Draft Terms of Reference for Asia Pacific Internet Leadership Program (APILP)*
Kelvin I seem to be having trouble posting to the list - please forward this for me - thanks
regards
Peter
Thanks Kelvin, This is an excellent start - it seems to have been a productive meeting at ICANN Singapore, and I am sorry I missed it.
I have made some suggested changes in Version 3 of the document which I attach. In proposing these, I note first how much easier it is to critique other's work than it it is to create it - thanks again for the first draft, which sets the scene very effectively.
Other than some changes such as numbering and some grammar edits, I think there could be some productive discussion about a couple of items:
1. The name - as its about Internet Governance, it seems sensible to me to include that in the name of the document and the name of the exercise. Its not just about "Internet Leadership" which is being done in many areas, of registry management, law, security etc, but specifically about IG. I think its healthier to acknowledge and display that focus.
2. I am not accustomed to describing the Asia Pacific area as "APAC", so started to re-name it AP - but didn't continue....happy to defer if there is a widespread acceptance of that abbreviation.
3. I am somewhat concerned at the current focus on the domain name industry: I have highlit the term a few times. I think both that there is more to the IG topic than that, and also that the domain name industry can be expected to be busy taking care of itself through such organisations as APTLD, ICANN and the newly formed Domain Name Association ( "DNA"). Although I think we need to be careful about opening the door to an unlimited range of topics, I have added IP address allocation mechanisms, multistakeholderism, online human rights, network security and network neutrality as possible topics. In any event, these should be signals, rather than instructions to those who will eventually draft the actual curriculum.
4. I have separated out and made clearer the tasks of preparing the curriculum from preparing business and financial plans to support it.
I hope these suggestion might be thought useful in furthering the discussion - thanks.
Regards
Peter
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